From - Tue Jul 17 15:20:20 2001 Message-ID: <3B543F2A.9B9B66BD@clark.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:35:38 -0400 From: Tiny Human Ferret Reply-To: klaatu@clark.net Organization: copyright 2001 all rights reserved -- non-UseNet transmission prohibited. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration Subject: Re: Bush and the granting of citizenship to illegal immigrants References: <20010717070157.04066.00004408@ng-mf1.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.205.1.226 X-Trace: vienna7.his.com 995376940 65.205.1.226 (17 Jul 2001 09:35:40 -0400) Lines: 63 X-Authenticated-User: tjh22isp Path: vienna7.his.com Xref: vienna7.his.com alt.politics.immigration:170304 ALEJA32313440 wrote: > > <>> > > UTTER NONSENSE. Wrong... "There is nothing so permenent as a 'temporary refugee'." -- some politician somewhere. You have to understand okay, my experience with most Latinos in recent years has been experience with Salvadorans. Those who were admitted under one or another "refugee" program have generally gotten amnesty, so what they are is effectively "stateless" persons. That means that probably if they wanted to go back to El Salvador (which generally they do only when in flight from Justice) they could, but in the meantime, there are absolutely no legal mechanisms by which they can be deported. So, basically, they have gotten Permanent Resident Alien status without going through the process or filling out the paperwork. In fact, they can't even really be extradited from El Salvador. We're stuck with them, there's nothing we can do. The cops can't send them back, the INS can't send them back, the courts can't send them back, and they are occasionally complete assholes about it. If a citizen was such a big jerk as some of these guys are, we could at least lock them up for a while, but if you try to do that with these "Temporary Protected" people, they go crying to the embassy on the one hand, crying to the INS on the other hand, and on the third hand, if they're in trouble sufficient to get locked up despite protestations from the embassy and INS and all of the brain-dead do-gooders, they just take it on the lam to El Salvador, hide out for a while, and then come back with new faked papers, and claim that they've been here all of the time, but never got around to "getting legit", to explain the fact that there's no record of them. And the INS has to know what is going on, but there are huge loopholes in the process and the Salvadorans excel at exploiting such loopholes. Locally, they've taken over so totally that even the Nordic type whites are out getting skin-cancer so they don't stick out like sore thumbs and get mobbed or something. It'll only get worse if Amnesty gets extended, and to Mexicans exclusively, the Salvadorans will all get jealous and competitive and the next thing you know, all of El Salvador will be here in _my neighborhood_, demanding the same amnesty that the Mexicans got, meanwhile pretending to have "always" been here, or at least long enough to be covered under _previous_ amnesties and grants of protected status. Of course, they're not going to like it when the Mexicans point out that it's only fair they should at least be granted legal permissions to remain and work, since _any_ Salvadoran who pretends to Temporary Protected Status will be given a Work Permit good for the next 3 years, with application deadlines for said work permits _up to 14 months from now_. So you see, this is increasingly a question of not just "do the latinos get blanket amnesties" but _which_ latinos get a better blanket amnesty than the others... > > Ale -- Non-UseNet retransmission expressly prohibited. Copyright 2001 TJH Internet SP, all rights reserved Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: http://earthops.org/immigration/