From - Sat Dec 1 19:35:37 2001 Message-ID: <3C03BD92.910360FE@clark.net> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:21:38 -0500 From: Tiny Human Ferret Reply-To: klaatu@clark.net Organization: copyright 2001 all rights reserved -- non-UseNet transmission prohibited. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.non.racism,alt.talk.twentysomething,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.immigration,alt.activism.children Subject: Re: Combatting Racism References: <9t9sh2$qda$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <9tb9q0$f49$3@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> <3BFA21B7.8F09E7C1@charter.net> <3C01A324.A38B3E2E@charter.net> <7e160u0ihk48q9nb8d45rmpbg81vf2l7rn@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.205.1.226 X-Trace: vienna7.his.com 1006878101 65.205.1.226 (27 Nov 2001 11:21:41 -0500) Lines: 86 X-Authenticated-User: tjh22isp Path: vienna7.his.com Xref: vienna7.his.com alt.non.racism:25946 alt.talk.twentysomething:268 soc.culture.african.american:626340 alt.politics.immigration:188479 alt.activism.children:108252 toto wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:04:20 -0500, William Scott > wrote: > > >toto wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:36:41 -0600, "Obbop" > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Look deeper than the obvious. Is there any possibibility the root problem is > >> >too many people? More people than the land can support. > >> > >> Raising the standard of living includes things which will control > >> births. I agree that overpopulation is a large problem.. And > >> therefore we need to change our attitudes toward large families. > > > >Cutting off all aid will accomplish the same thing - cheaper and faster. > > And more inhumanely.. > > There will continue to be blowback and terrorist attacks on the US > until we realize that. IF we create a class of people without > hope, we will create those who risk their lives to revenge > themselves on us. Philip Jose Farmer covered this most-excellently in a novelette called "70 Years of DecPop" (declining population). A madman named Clabb released a toxin worldwide which resulted in only about 1 percent of the population being able to reproduce, due to inherited resistance to the toxin. Most of the world lived out their lives, but the replacement generations were very much smaller and inherited a massively reduced but extremely high-level industrial and technical base. In the end, most of the elders had finally come to see this as mostly a good thing, as the world became reforested, fish returned to all of the oceans in their former abundance, and most humans lived in tribalist/pastoral groups scattered aross the planet but linked by extremely high levels of technology produced by small, very efficient, automated factories located in regions where their operation could not do much environmental damage. I don't propose that such a reduction in population be carried out by such a means, but you must understand that we are in fact close to destroying the planet, as a species. Only in the US, Europe, and the "highlevel Asia" cultures are we successfully reducing native populations even as we increase our technical base. If there is one thing we can do to save the planet and improve the lot of humans in the Third World, it is to give them all of the birth control they need, and motivate them to use it. Otherwise, we will see more global-ecological catastrophes such as the Cascading Rain-Forest Conflagration of a few years ago, when deforestation in Indonesia and Malaysia cast a pall of smoke across the whole of the Pacific, massively increasing the El Ni~o cycle, leading to the drought and rainforest conflagration in southern Mexico, which contributed greatly to the subsequent rainforest conflagration in Florida. The ultimate cause was a combination of overpopulation and poverty in SE Asia's maritime nations. You'll notice that the highly underpopulated/hightech Australian nation contributed to this not at all, and to some degree suffered from the major degradation of air-quality when the Indonesians burned their rainforest to the extent that displaced orang-utan were forced to go dumpster-diving in the alleys of Indonesian towns and cities. We are not creating a class of people without hope, they are doing that themselves by refusing to control their own population growth. And if they want to make their beds in this way, I am tempted to say "let them lie in it" but the thing is, if they want to wallow in their own filth, it creates health problems for every nation that's downwind of them. 9/11 showed that we cannot sit at home in isolationism, we must carry the struggle to wherever it originates. First, we must convince these people that the US is not the relief-valve for their own population problems, we must close the borders to illegal immigration or we will suffer massive (if unarmed, mostly) Invasion. And having forced these small countries to revise their unwillingness to promote responsible reproduction, we will benefit as a global species. Those small countries that continue to permit unrestricted breeding at dangerous levels will come to be seen as global menaces and the world will then deal with them as we are now dealing with the Al Qaeda terrorists. > > Dorothy -- Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae. Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/