From - Mon Dec 3 16:09:47 2001 Message-ID: <3C0B6862.E7A820C7@clark.net> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 06:56:18 -0500 From: Tiny Human Ferret Reply-To: klaatu@clark.net Organization: copyright 2001 all rights reserved -- non-UseNet transmission prohibited. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.immigration,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: Diversity vs. Freedom References: <73WR1REM37212.8089930556@frog.gilgamesh.org> <3BFF147A.D7E32DCE@cox.rr.com> <7cFL7.208109$W8.7753760@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <3BFF21E8.52D64D2A@cox.rr.com> <9tnh9p$43h$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <3BFFBDC4.2A30B953@cox.rr.com> <9u14aj$fv6$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> <3C0433AF.32CBF9FB@cox.rr.com> <9u22qu$qdv$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <3C05BB1A.2E31B283@cox.rr.com> <9ual5t$2b5$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <3C09331B.57EBA64A@cox.rr.com> <3C0AB522.8D9B4D28@cox.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.205.1.226 X-Trace: vienna7.his.com 1007380661 65.205.1.226 (3 Dec 2001 06:57:41 -0500) Lines: 65 X-Authenticated-User: tjh22isp Path: vienna7.his.com Xref: vienna7.his.com alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:1905696 alt.politics.immigration:189827 alt.conspiracy:717185 talk.politics.misc:2053529 talk.politics.libertarian:576409 Carlos Antunes wrote: > > Mark Steirer wrote: > > > > Because it is in the nation's interest. > > > > Nations don't have the capability to have interests, only sentient > beings. The "interest" of nations is, especially in a representative Republic, the aggregate of the interests of the citizens. Thus, if the majority of the people express certain interests, so long as the rights of the minority are protected, those interest of the majority are "the nation's interest". In any case, a well-informed public voting their conscience to elect activist/responsive/well-informed legislators and executive may be considered to have created a non-human person, the Nation, which is effectively sentient insofar as it gathers information, makes decisions, and takes (or doesn't) action. > Therefore, the nation cannot have any interest in either > increased or reduced immigration. Your premiss has been demonstrated to be invalid and thus your conclusion is invalid. > > > > > The US is not just a market. It is also a political entity. It is also a > > habitat. > > > > Well, the Market is the will of the people "computed" in real-time. Why > should the will of the people be disregarded? The market is nothing more, nor less, than instantaneous reaction. However, the Elections are periodic, and deliberate, and accompanied by a long period of reflection and debate. Why should the best considerations of the People, proceding at all deliberate speed, and delivered in timely Election, be disregarded for the knee-jerk and willy-nilly momentary reactions of the Market? The market thus is not "the will of the people"; the Elections are the will of the people. Why should the will of the people be disregarded? > > > > > No, it is right for you to prevent others from living and working in > > violation of property rights. > > > > What property rights? The collective rights of the sovereign people of the US, which amounts to the soveregnity of the Nation which We the People become under the Constitution. > > Regards, > Carlos Antunes. -- Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae. Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/