From - Fri Nov 30 18:14:28 2001 From: Michael Hobson Newsgroups: alt.non.racism,alt.talk.twentysomething,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.immigration,alt.activism.children Subject: Re: Combatting Racism Message-ID: <6ahe0ukl2iseksdnv1u7922dskr9uihkcv@4ax.com> References: <86urvt4l1m7a72l0vul4a8fccanfq79pjr@4ax.com> <0kFL7.687$UD6.272411@news.uswest.net> <2t010uojj66ghsjgl926hvpskga9pp4kgs@4ax.com> <3C02E8A0.F6DDD638@clark.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 87 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:40:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.178.244.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1007109611 63.178.244.215 (Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:40:11 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:40:11 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:40:12 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: vienna7.his.com!vienna2.his.com!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: vienna7.his.com alt.non.racism:26182 alt.talk.twentysomething:388 soc.culture.african.american:626740 alt.politics.immigration:189230 alt.activism.children:109606 On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:13:04 -0500, Tiny Human Ferret wrote: >Michael Hobson wrote: >> >> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:49:40 GMT, "Timothy Murphy" >> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Michael Hobson" wrote in message >> >news:2t010uojj66ghsjgl926hvpskga9pp4kgs@4ax.com... >> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:42:52 GMT, "Timothy Murphy" >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >"--=Cochise~|~Guardian=--" wrote in message >> >> >news:nm9uvtooql9tds5mdkbqmqkn0hs1dvmk1b@4ax.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> Vile bulldyke seems to like circular arguments. Had to plonk that fetid >> >little >> >> >turdette myself. Boring. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I notice that in addition to your racism, you idiots also have a problem >> >dealing >> >> >with a woman who is assertive and much more intelligent than you. >> >> > >> >> >Do you really think that resorting to vulgarity makes you a better debater? >> >> >> >> I'll let "Cochise~|~Guardian" answer you about his post, but I would >> >> like to correct your mistake that to dislike illegal immigration is >> >> racism. >> >> >> > >> > >> >Then explain the frequent racist terms used by you fools. >> >> Which fools? > >Face it, this is just Lloyd R. Parker -- or a clone. > >> I haven't used any racist terms. I tend to use >> scientific terms. I certainly am not racist. Read the (short) >> message again, and this time concentrate: >> > >Look, this guy's rhetorical style is pretty obvious. First, the blatant >dishonesty: he snips your entire argument out of the view of the reader, and >then characterizes it as "racist" and characterizes you as a bigot. He's >simply taking the offensive, now you have to spend the rest of the post >defending yourself, not pressing on with your really quite effective >arguments. > >In short, you got trolled. > >> "If you'll look at a map you'll notice that Mexico is printed in a >> different color than the United States. That isn't because a >> different race of people live there, but because it is a different >> "country". They have a different set of leaders, a separate pool of >> taxation, a different language, a different standard for education, >> etc. >> >> "Another example of a "country" that isn't the United States, for >> instance, is England. Citizens of England aren't allowed to come into >> the United States at a rate of millions per year at their own whim >> either. That isn't because people in the US are racist against the >> English, but because England and the United States are two different >> "countries", and citizens of England aren't citizens of the United >> States. It isn't racism against Mexicans to demand that they not >> enter the country illegally, but rather a reflection of Mexico being a >> different "country"." > >Mike, this is a "keeper" of a statement. If you'd like to write it up to a >final draft, I'd be happy to give it server-space in my "immigration topics" >directory. I'm always on the lookout for nice clear non-racist arguments in >support of better control of the US borders. > >Thanks, nice to see you and we hope you will become a regular in >news:alt.politics.immigration where we need your kind of clear, non-racist >rhetoric. Thanks for the welcome. I'll try to make that into an article for you when I get a chance. Excellent point regariding illegal immegration and our chances of getting into space, too. -- Mike