From - Mon May 22 18:58:35 2000 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.online.be!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.axxsys.net!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: khaynes.nospam@hiwaay.net (Ken H. ) Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.consumers,md.general,dc.general,rec.autos.driving Subject: Re: Guns (was:SUVs (was: Gas: Prices getting worse!) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:16:48 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 54 Message-ID: <39286d04.105044860@newstoo.hiwaay.net> References: <38CE4F6A.9F1EE25B@swbell.net> <38d16cf1.14886724@news.hiwaay.ne <8fpt4c$j7q$1@husk.cso.niu.edu> <3920DE85.50E359C2@mindspring.com> <8fro45$i0d$3@husk.cso.niu.edu> <8g96tk$2f1m$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <39284315.0@nntp2.borg.com> <8g9iil$2k6c$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> <6BZV4.17849$T41.383753@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: iad-artgen.news.verio.net misc.consumers.frugal-living:90196 misc.consumers:45647 md.general:9994 dc.general:24627 rec.autos.driving:67767 On Sun, 21 May 2000 22:40:02 GMT, "Bill DeWitt" wrote: > wrote : >> >> You're asking the wrong question. The Swiss by nature are not as prone >> to violent acts as the American gun-owner is bred to be. >> > > What an amazing example of Racism. Despite the fact that many American >gun owners are of Swiss extraction, you actually think that there is a >"breed" of human who are inherently more likely to use a gun than some other >people? So can I assume from this that you also think that there are some >certain Americans who are genetically more likely to be poor and live in >those neighborhoods that have more crime? Perhaps Americans of a certain >skin color? > > Gun-grabbers are either ignorant pawns or are the culpable initiators of >that ignorance. Which are you? Well, he certainly doesn't believe the following: "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis, dissenting, Olmstead v. United States, 277 US 479 (1928) So, he must be one of those who profess to favor freedom but rejects assurance: "Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857. Ken H.