From - Mon May 22 18:25:13 2000 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!iad-artgen.news.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!novia!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: khaynes.nospam@hiwaay.net (Ken H. ) Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living,misc.consumers,md.general,dc.general,rec.autos.driving Subject: Re: Guns (was:SUVs (was: Gas: Prices getting worse!) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:31:06 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 81 Message-ID: <392a538a.98521886@newstoo.hiwaay.net> References: <38CD1079.783E9F41@swbell.net> <953007534.38359@newton.dialix.com.au> <38d540a7.3546634@news.hiwaay.net> <38CE4F6A.9F1EE25B@swbell.net> <38d16cf1.14886724@news.hiwaay.ne <8fpt4c$j7q$1@husk.cso.niu.edu> <3920DE85.50E359C2@mindspring.com> <39210C46.19E988D6@compuserve.com> <8g96ji$2f1m$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <392d37d7.91429862@newstoo.hiwaay.net> <8g9ito$3afe$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: iad-artgen.news.verio.net misc.consumers.frugal-living:90177 misc.consumers:45636 md.general:9988 dc.general:24618 rec.autos.driving:67755 On Mon, 22 May 2000 00:02:37 GMT, danebrickman@hotmail.com wrote: > >khaynes.nospam@hiwaay.net (Ken H. ) wrote: >>>The >>>gun-nuts have made it clear that they intend to use their weapons, not >>>only against the criminal element, but against ALL authority figures, >>>no matter how duly empowed by society for the protection of same. >>> >>>THAT is the REAL danger. > >>The above certainly condemns our Framers. Thank God they did defy >>authority. You apparently believe that the Government is the Father >>and can do or will not do any wrong. You apparently disagreed with >>the Boston Tea Party and the subsequent generation of the U.S. >>Constitution. I'm flabbergasted. > >Thanks for proving my point. What you are saying here is that you feel >that it's acceptable to overthrow the Government or it's officers by >violent means. You try to justify this by slandering our Founding >Fathers, who's intent was very different that that of the gun-wacko's >of today. > > > > Dane Brickman Mr. Brickman, it is the duty to do such when the Government throws shackles on it's citizens. That's the entire purpose for the U.S. Constitution and as an American, I live by it's principles. Consider: "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." -- John Adams "If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being a gift from God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave." -- Samuel Adams "... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty ... And what country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." -- Thomas Jefferson. Nov. 13. 1787, letter to William S. Smith. "The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts ... the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." -- Patrick Henry The above is only a small fraction of quotes from notable people of the past but I believe quoting more will be futile since your mind is closed. You may be willing to accept a central government as your serious and benefactor but I place mine in the hands of the people at large. And, I take offense at your categorizing me in the same group as criminals who violate the statutes of common sense and decency. Ken H.